Bach Piano Concerto BWV 1055 A major

[ReinerTorheit]

Originally Posted by Delicious Manager

As has already been pointed out, if JSB had been alive and writing in a different time, he would have been a very different composer in almost every conceivable way - different history, different sensibilities, different environment, different needs and creative stimuli. Please don't tell me Bach would have written for the piano anymore than Mozart would have written for the Venezuelan nose flute. It's irrelevant.

[Tarantella]

Originally Posted by Delicious Manager

The invention of the piano by Cristofori happened within Bach's lifetime. He tried one. He didn't like it and never turned back to it. There is a certain arrogance when people make glib claims like "If the Ondes Martenot has existed in Beethoven's time, he would have written sonatas for it." How do you know? Do you have a hotline to JS (or LvB) beyond the grave? As has already been pointed out, if JSB had been alive and writing in a different time, he would have been a very different composer in almost every conceivable way - different history, different sensibilities, different environment, different needs and creative stimuli. Please don't tell me Bach would have written for the piano anymore than Mozart would have written for the Venezuelan nose flute. It's irrelevant.

Why stop there? Paper over a comb sounds pretty cool too! You should hear the contrapuntal wonders I can achieve with that one. But I wouldn't want you to nit-pick (cough) about whether or not it was "The 48" or The Art of Fugue. Badly played comb with the wrong repertoire - now THAT'S a deal-breaker!!

[Noseeum]

Originally Posted by Tarantella

Why stop there? Paper over a comb sounds pretty cool too! You should hear the contrapuntal wonders I can achieve with that one. But I wouldn't want you to nit-pick (cough) about whether or not it was "The 48" or The Art of Fugue. Badly played comb with the wrong repertoire - now THAT'S a deal-breaker!!

Bach didn't care for the Cristofori piano! (I think the piano he tried was a slightly modified version built in Germany.) He must have thought it like an over-built clavichord, unsuitable for prime time. Mozart 'didn't care for' pianos considerably more advanced than that one, according to his letters.

I'm not going to spell out my 'point'; it seems obvious.

[James C. Fretz]

Well, what an incredibly unfriendly, anti-social bunch most of you are!

It occurs to me that I really don't need you to make me feel bad about myself.......it happens quite naturally without much thought.

Perhaps, what is need here is a healthy sense of perspective; but I'll not stay around to see if it ever materializes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA1AarSm37A

[Despina41]

Originally Posted by Noseeum

Too much 'note perfect'?

[Intended or not, your post works as a finger-poke in my reading.]

Hi, I missed your reply somehow when you first made it, sorry -- it was really an interesting listening experience because it seemed that he was doing everything Right for the Liszt sonata.. Nice use of time, dynamic control, etc -- it was just completely ineffective!! I can't even explain WHY it was so bad. Here, you can hear for yourself and possibly articulate beter than I can. He's number 4 below, starting at 7:54:



Upon second listening: perhaps lack of momentum, i.e., too much time taking??

[ReinerTorheit]

Well, if you can play Bach on anything, then here is the excellent James Howard Young performing one of the Bach Orchestral Suites on a double-tracked orchestra of melodicas.



BTW in real life James is something of a virtuoso on the recorder, and plays baroque music on baroque instruments... as well as plying his trade as a repetiteur as a piano repetiteur for classical ballet.

[Noseeum]

Originally Posted by James C. Fretz

Well, what an incredibly unfriendly, anti-social bunch most of you are!

It occurs to me that I really don't need you to make me feel bad about myself.......it happens quite naturally without much thought.

Perhaps, what is need here is a healthy sense of perspective; but I'll not stay around to see if it ever materializes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA1AarSm37A

Hah. There's a long tradition of "unfriendliness" among Bach purists. I'm amazed that they have the power to make you feel bad about yourself. They have (to a mild degree) the opposite effect on me.

[Tarantella]

Originally Posted by James C. Fretz

Well, what an incredibly unfriendly, anti-social bunch most of you are!

It occurs to me that I really don't need you to make me feel bad about myself.......it happens quite naturally without much thought.

Perhaps, what is need here is a healthy sense of perspective; but I'll not stay around to see if it ever materializes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA1AarSm37A

There seems to be a certain militancy amongst musical purists and you strike it a lot on these types of forums. I try to deal with it using humour or avoidance, but I hope you reconsider Jim. I've sent you an email anyway! Best, Sue