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I got this from the friends of Columbus symphony group on facebook.
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Last edited by Florestan; 25-03-08 at 11:25 PM. |
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The thing about shipping in cheaper east european labour has become kind of a running joke in the UK but I didn't know it happened with orchestras and in the US too.
It's usually applied to plumbers and builders here. ![]() I'm not sure how that would work but the orchestra's plight sounds like the age-old tale of the arts being attacked by philistines in office. |
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I did an arranging/conducting job a few years ago and I was asked to find out costs and compare orchestras for the recording. I got in touch with Isobel Grifiths who everybody knows as THE orchestral contractor witnessed by innumerable credits at the end of Hollywood productions. She quoted me a price which I will never forget! For five days of recording with an ad hoc band of about sixty players the cost would be 93 million drahmas! (about 180,000 pounds) I then traveled to the Czeck Republic and to Slovakia where I was hosted by orchestras, allowed in to their rehearsals, wined and dined by their managers who bent over backwards to fulfill the requirements for the recording. I settled for the Slovak Philharmonic at 17 million drahmas (50,000 pounds). I had a great time, the band played superbly, and the recording was a huge success. (I had to learn basic German in three weeks though, since they don't speak English!) I made some interesting friends such as the trumpet player Juri Bartoshka. So where is the problem? The only problem is that British orchestras are too expensive and eastern European orchestras are totally underpaid!
With Slovakia now entering the E.U. the chief sound engineer at my sessions told me that they expect a flood of work that will last for about two years and then absolutely nothing, since they will be forced to align prices with the rest of the Union and then geographical consideration take over. FC |
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Yeah, I take your point but the Columbus Symphony are presumably a sort of civic institution. It would be like sacking the LSO and replacing them with Poles. The Poles might be perfectly good but that is not the point. It's not fair on the musicians who rightly expect job security and a living wage.
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You are right. It is a sad reality that social conditions have forced citizens of countries like Poland and Slovakia to seek employment in the 'West'. However what will happen when, as my friend says, these countries get economically aligned with the west and there are no workers? For highly trained specialists like musicians quality is what counts. Orchestras are not charity organizations but finely balanced high quality businesses. A friend of mine from Bulgaria is by far the best orchestral bass player I know personally and he is in this position now. He plays in the Belgian Radio Orchestra and he worries that when Bulgaria finally become E.U. members in 2014 he will be pressured in to going back. Dimitri is accepted in the musical community there and there is no feeling that he has 'stolen' the position from a Belgian. I too played for years in Greek orchestras and was never made to feel that I was a 'foreign' parasite.
You must see Ken Loach's new film called 'It's a Free World'. These immigrant workers are the people that get the raw deal. If you get passed over for the co-principal bassoon chair by Slobodan Gurievich it will be because he is a better player than you, not because he is cheaper. My best man, Mark Crooks who plays jazz clarinet tells me me always points out jokingly that he's the best player in his price range! Go figure! FC |
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No musician expects a living wage! We're all poverty stricken beggars! except Placedo Damingo! And as for job security - you'd be better off becoming a snow salesman at the north pole!
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It's up to the various musicians' unions to get themselves organised internationally imo. I remember when Jaap Schroeder was brought in by Christopher Hogwood to lead the Academy of Ancient Music in their complete Mozart symphony project (still the best available). There was a union problem - I forget exactly what - and the whole AAM went on strike until it was resolved.
Quite right too. Musicians shouldn't allow themselves to be pushed around, and the various MUs are hardly revolutionary organisations demanding international socialism and free metronomes! I hope these Columbus Symphony people get over here if they have the time. Should this site be able to help in even the smallest ways to stuff money into low paid musicians’ pockets, and help them make common cause with nice Poles and Slovaks, I’m all for it. Cor Anglais Players of the World Unite! |
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I too was in the same position as the writer of the original quote.
The Greek National Radio Symphony Orchestra made cuts in 1995 which were presented to the orchestra like this: Either take a 10% cut in salary or drop 17 players. So I and another 16 players left the orchestra in order to save the salaries of the remaining musicians. This orchestra has had a fourteen year court battle (to get back pay and permanent contracts) which ended last year and there still no sign of the actual contracts that were agreed to in court. When I was in school my music teacher said "if you do music as a career I can't guarantee you'll be rich but you will have a fair chance at being happy." Now it seems for a lot of musicians even the chance at happiness is no longer part of the deal. FC |
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"We so often talk about Columbus as a sports community. Columbus is arts, too".
That made alarm bells ring. I imagine Columbus stuffed with braying Philistine jocks, lapping at the public purse, while music is thrown a few crumbs. The orchestra should get in there and kick "ass". |
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I just noticed this thread again. Somebody remind me to get on to them later and find out what is happening now.
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