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Héctor · #31 01-05-09, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Philidor

But that doesn't explain why the 12th century Christian hierarchy should wish to brutalise infants. What purpose did it serve?

Separate for better manipulation (education)

Philidor · #32 01-05-09, 08:56 AM

The Rummy-Tamiflu Connection. Conspiracy theorists are going nuts.

birabiro · #33 01-05-09, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Héctor

All developed societies separate mother and baby - the higher the culture, the more radical the separation.

I consider myself to be highly cultured. I kept my babies On me, wrapped in a shawl or in an infant bag. They never went to day care, occasionally my husband tended them and rarely we had a babysitter. Our kids slept in our bed until they wanted their own rooms. I lectured and taught individuals, wrote articles and music, it wasn't a problem for anyone but people who objected to breast feeding in public.
I will never understand people who subject their children to public childcare. It seems uncivilized to me.

Philidor · #34 01-05-09, 11:32 PM

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it wasn't a problem for anyone but people who objected to breast feeding in public.

That would fit with Héctor point no? That in alienating parents from their own children, the church and state would wish to transform the breast and breast feeding from something normal, natural, motherly, everyday, into an exclusively adult sexual symbol whose public display must be policed just like any other adult sexual activity. So the child has been alienated from the breast in favour of adult sexuality.

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I will never understand people who subject their children to public childcare. It seems uncivilized to me.

In Britain there's a major push to force poor mothers into low-paid, non-union work. Public childcare is often their only option. One advantage of the recession is to put a block on the policy shift - the jobs aren't there so mothers stay with their children.

Héctor · #35 02-05-09, 09:48 AM

Another important author is [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd_deMause"]Lloyd de Mause[/ame]. He writes about the German childhood (before the world wars): "The shortage of Lebensraum (room to live) had a second source in childhood. Upon birth, “the wretched new-born little thing was wound up in ells of bandages, from the feet right, and tight, up to the neck; as if it were intended to be embalmed as a mummy…babies are loathsome, foetid things, offensive to the last degree with their excreta…” Babies simply could not move for their first year of life. A visitor from England described the German baby as “a piteous object; it is pinioned and bound up like a mummy in yards of bandages…it is never bathed…Its head is never touched with soap and water until it is eight or ten months old.” Their feces and urine was so regularly left on their bodies that they were covered with lice and other vermin attracted to their excreta, and since the swaddling bandages were very tight and covered their arms as well as their bodies, they could not prevent the vermin from drinking their blood. Their parents considered them so disgusting they called them “filthy lice-covered babies,” and often put them, swaddled, in a bag, which they hung on the wall or on a tree while the mothers did other tasks. The fear of being poisoned by lice was daily embedded in the fearful alter of the baby, and was as an adult re-experienced as a fear of Jews being “filthy lice who attempted to infect the pure German blood and who had to be exterminated to cleanse the German bloodstream.” Germany, Hitler said, had to restore its 1914 borders “to get an influx of fresh blood [because] the Polish Corridor is a national wound that bleeds continuously.” Infancy in swaddling bands was re-experienced: “Poisonous bacilli” were “sucking out our blood [and injecting] a continuous stream of poison into our blood vessels.”

See The Childhood Origins of World War II and the Holocaust

Florestan · #36 04-05-09, 10:17 AM

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Another important author is Lloyd de Mause. He writes about the German childhood (before the world wars): "The shortage of Lebensraum (room to live) had a second source in childhood. Upon birth, “the wretched new-born little thing was wound up in ells of bandages, from the feet right, and tight, up to the neck; as if it were intended to be embalmed as a mummy…babies are loathsome, foetid things, offensive to the last degree with their excreta…” Babies simply could not move for their first year of life. A visitor from England described the German baby as “a piteous object; it is pinioned and bound up like a mummy in yards of bandages…it is never bathed…Its head is never touched with soap and water until it is eight or ten months old.” Their feces and urine was so regularly left on their bodies that they were covered with lice and other vermin attracted to their excreta, and since the swaddling bandages were very tight and covered their arms as well as their bodies, they could not prevent the vermin from drinking their blood. Their parents considered them so disgusting they called them “filthy lice-covered babies,” and often put them, swaddled, in a bag, which they hung on the wall or on a tree while the mothers did other tasks. The fear of being poisoned by lice was daily embedded in the fearful alter of the baby, and was as an adult re-experienced as a fear of Jews being “filthy lice who attempted to infect the pure German blood and who had to be exterminated to cleanse the German bloodstream.” Germany, Hitler said, had to restore its 1914 borders “to get an influx of fresh blood [because] the Polish Corridor is a national wound that bleeds continuously.” Infancy in swaddling bands was re-experienced: “Poisonous bacilli” were “sucking out our blood [and injecting] a continuous stream of poison into our blood vessels.”

See The Childhood Origins of World War II and the Holocaust

Good god - that is absolutely horrific. It's a wonder any child survived.